Friday, July 17, 2009
Heifer International Part II - Return of Baby Ducks...

Those of you who have been reading the blog for a while know we did a fundraiser for Heifer International last year.

For those of you who are new to the game, you can see some of the details HERE.

In a nutshell, I started what I thought would be a little fundraiser, offering prizes and various other incentives to get people to donate. Things quickly spiraled out of control, other people in the Fantasy and Sci-fi publishing world pitched in, and by the end of it we had raised over 100,000 dollars.

Have I mentioned yet that Heifer is my favorite charity? It's my favorite charity.

So imagine my delight when Heifer's publication, World Ark, showed up this week and I found this inside:

(Click to Embiggen)

They're using us as an example of good fundraising. Go team us!

Seeing this has made me think of several things...

1. My hair looks pretty good in this picture.

2. We still need a good name for the fundraiser.

So far the best we've come up with is "Geeks for Goats" or "Worldbuilders Ink." I kinda like the second one, but it's punny. (Ink = Inc. Get it? Yeah. Not that funny.) What's more, the pun makes me wonder if the possessive apostrophe is really appropriate. Should it be "Worldbuilder's Ink" or maybe even "Worldbuilders' Ink?"

And as for "Geeks for Goats" well... it's kind of a silly name. While I'm not opposed to silliness, a fundraiser with a goofy name does not inspire confidence in donors. And we want donors. Many, many donors.

That means we need something clever, catchy, and subject-appropriate. Penny Arcade's "Child's Play" is a good example of a this.

3. In a couple months we'll be starting fundraiser version 2.0. That means....

  • If you're interested in participating, start saving your pennies.
  • If you're going to *raise* money to donate, start gathering your troupes.
  • If you'd like to donate something, like signed books, collectibles, or a cool service, drop me a line at paperback.contest (squiggly at thinger)

Last year most of the prizes were Sci-fi and Fantasy books, given out lottery-style. This year, with more time to plan, I think we'll be auctioning off some specialty stuff as well.

Some of the auction items will be things like signed books and one-of-a-kind manuscripts. Or services like having a pro author read your book and give you feedback.

Don't get me wrong, we'll still have the lottery prizes for people that want to donate. But in addition to that we'll be running auctions for the specialty items: things like, say, getting your name into The Wise Man's Fear.

So if you have stuff you'd like to donate to the cause, drop me a line. (Not money. That will come later. Right now I'm looking for stuff like signed books, memorabilia, stuff like that we can use as prizes.)

So stay tuned folks. It's going to be a good time.


P.S. If you have any clever ideas for what we could call the fundraiser, comment below. We're creative people, right? We should be able to come up with something....

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Blogger YELLOWDOG GRANNY said...

LOTS O' DUCK....thats the best i can come up with..and while i have your attention..when's the second book coming out..i just gave my book to the 8th person to read and 7 of them and me are waiting with bated breath..i promise to write another'best fucking book ever' post on my

July 17, 2009 3:54 PM  
Blogger Shane said...

I won one of the Subterranean Press books last time but they never sent it to me. :(
No biggy, really. Happy to contribute and all that.

July 17, 2009 4:10 PM  
Blogger Brandy said...

Fantasy Funds? Worldbuilding Wealth? Kvothe's Capital? Geeks' Gold for Goats? Rothfuss Riches? Booklovers and Beehives? Bibliophile Money Pile?

Would you like any knit items for the prizes? I knit a mean hat...

July 17, 2009 4:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Heifer Heroes.
Money for Manimales.

July 17, 2009 4:16 PM  
Anonymous James Johnes said...

If you go with Worldbuilders Ink, I think it should be the "Worldbuilders' Ink" since it is plural and suggests more of a community thing.I actually quite like it as worldbuiling takes effort, giving takes effort, and through giving, these familys are being given the chance to expend effort in a way that betters their lives.

Also I second Bibliophile Money Pile. Brandy, youre my hero.

About how much does it cost to provide a family with a goat?

July 17, 2009 4:23 PM  
Blogger Chris Heilman said...

Has to be "Geeks for Goats".

July 17, 2009 4:36 PM  
Blogger ANGIERAE said...

That is totally awesome. :) Of course, it was an awesome amount of money to raise, too. Looking forward to this year's fundraiser.

July 17, 2009 4:40 PM  
Blogger Mary J. said...

Geeks' Gold for Goats is nice but I think it has got to be "Geeks for Goats". We already think of it that way here in Indy. :-) (We're thinking of it that way because Heifer donations in his or hers name is what all the adults are getting for Christmas this year.)

Hey Brandy- I bet a Jayne hat or two would go over really well. Or if you could duplicate Pat's winter hat... that was outstanding.

July 17, 2009 4:44 PM  
Blogger Plenz said...

Random Acts of Kine-ness occurs to me as something punny yet fun.

July 17, 2009 4:47 PM  
Anonymous elias said...

"Wood for Sheep"... paper (like that found in physical books, and also possibly paper money) comes from trees...

"Geeks for Goats" sounds like the geeks are being exchanged, or like a political group dedicated to getting goats into public office.

Hmm... "Works for Food"...?

July 17, 2009 5:03 PM  
Blogger Ethan said...

hmmm.. how about "Trucks 'o Ducks"

July 17, 2009 5:09 PM  
Anonymous LordMortimur said...

The Waystone Fund

July 17, 2009 5:20 PM  
Blogger Roswitha said...

Bibliophile Money Pile gets my vote for genius, but it doesn't really indicate what this is all about.

Geeks for Goats does that better (and I'm partial to that one because I created an online giving circle called Geeks Algorithm of Giving (Right now we are raising money for Operation Bootstrap Africa, which helps communities in Africa build schools without taking jobs from the locals, provides schoolbooks, and teachers' salaries).

And if it's Worldbuilders Ink it should be plural possessive - Worldbuilders'. Definitely.

July 17, 2009 5:32 PM  
Blogger An Albino Druid said...

Dear Pat,

You are correct. Your hair looks very nice in that photograph. I got chills by looking at that add. No, it is not because I was intimidated by the sheer hard-boiledness of your physique and stare, or any irrational fear or hatred of baby ducks. I felt cool because I was reading a catchy advertisement for a charity group that is in love with one of the coolest authors in the world.

I did not participate last year, mainly because I did not know the existance of the blog, and cannot wait to dive into it this year! I do not need any swanky gifts to entice me, especially because I have nothing to contribute to the lottery. But I do have the name of an adoring fan, "Lukas Samuel Swartz," whom I know would die from happiness if he found his name in Wise Man's Fear. I will get a small team together, and will be sending you as much as possible!

Do you plan to match the money this time around as well? I would assume that, now that more people may know about it (me,) we may send a bit more. I know it is for the good of the world, but you don't need to mortgage off your house to match us! Every little bit helps, right?

All of Brandy's suggestions stick out to me as great ones! They all roll off the tongue very well. I especially like "Kvothe's Capital," because I think the fundraiser should reflect the story and your ambition somehow.

I, myself, am a fan of:
"Wealth From the Waystone"
"Fortune From the Fae"
(or maybe something similar but less pretentious and ostentatious)
"Well Wishes From the Waystone"
"The Hiefer Hearthfire"
"Chronicler's Coppers"
"Talents From Tinue"
"Commonwealth for Common Health"

Regardless of the name, though, Pat, we are all ready to help out in any way we can. As always, I remain

Respectfully Yours,
An Albino Druid
Digging Holes in His Back Yard Since 1992

July 17, 2009 5:43 PM  
Blogger Jake Covert said...

Kvothe Capital Investments - Making the world a better place, one goat at a time.

July 17, 2009 5:59 PM  
Blogger alena.markins said...

OMG!!!! Bibliophile Money Pile really really really really really really got me laughing. I really liked it. But laughter isn't the point. I agree with what some people said about it needing to reflect the story that originally brought us all together. "The Waystone Fund" really makes me happy. It sounds very nice and professional, and as most or all of the people donating to it are your readers, we'll all get it. I think it would make Kvothe (or, really Kote, because we all know that he's the personality of Kvothe that runs the inn) smile. It would fill some of that silence in the Inn...

July 17, 2009 6:55 PM  
Blogger Pierre said...

Glad to hear there will be a part 2 to the positive madness that was the event last year. I hadn't heard of Heifer until then, but was glad to join with the others to help a very worthy cause.

So far my favorites so far would be "The Waystone Fund" or "Geeks for Goats".

July 17, 2009 7:23 PM  
Blogger Avala said...


July 17, 2009 7:31 PM  
Blogger Lucid said...

I'll add my voice to the chorus on the point of the best version being "Worldbuilders' Ink," for most of the reasons suggested by others.

Let's see now, can I come up with something better? "Halfman's Hope" came to mind but ought to be disqualified for obvious reasons. 'Philanthropic Fantasists' is rather better.

July 17, 2009 7:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gotta be Bibliophile Money Pile....still giggling.

July 17, 2009 8:06 PM  
Blogger Robin said...

Hurray! I was reading my copy of the Ark and was hoping our fearless leader would have plans for us soon...looking forward to the return of the baby ducks.

July 17, 2009 8:08 PM  
Anonymous Vinny K said...

You could always put your two ideas together to get "Worldbuilding Geeks". I have to admit though, that "Bibliophile Money Pile" really got me laughing, pure genius.

As for the apostrophe, I think "Worldbuilders' Ink" give it a better feel; more people involved and all that.

As an after thought, perhaps "The Fund of the Wind."

July 17, 2009 8:18 PM  
Blogger Tiffanee said...

No suggestions, sorry. But I had a funny moment as I read The Ark. I saw your pic and thought, "Hey! I know that guy!" Then realized it was you and I don't know you, but I have your book and I read the blog. An odd sensation.

July 17, 2009 8:25 PM  
Blogger Angela said...

"Pat's B.E.A.R.D." (Band of Eleemosynary Acquisition and Redistribution Drones)

Of course, I'm always for "Geeks for Goats" (I'm willing to be bartered for a goat for the greater good) and find myself approving heartily of Brandy's "Bibliophile Money Pile."

July 17, 2009 8:43 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like 'Waystone Fund', it has a nice roll to it. :)

-- coypup ^.,^

July 17, 2009 9:15 PM  
Blogger xain721 said...

i really liked nerd for herds, waystone fund, bibliophile money pile made me lol for real real

July 17, 2009 9:54 PM  
Anonymous Armin said...

Sorry to be the party pooper (is that correct?).
I'm just so not into giving my money away to any enterprise/ organization whatsoever. I really do hope I'm wrong but I just don't believe I am. Please god let me be wrong and your fund raising shall be good for something. I did donate in the past but earnestly I don't think money given to any organization will find its way to ppl who need it. Or to elaborate: it will find its way there but only 10% at most. The rest enriches rich folks and pays for the meager 10% being transfered to where 90% should have gone.
Don't loose hope I'm not better of having lost it. Good luck.

My name would be "Money for nothing" but thats mostly because I do love the song ;)


July 17, 2009 10:06 PM  
Blogger JoshSHill said...

Money for Moo was good, but I like Nerds for Herds and Geeks for Goats. As has been said, it's ok to barter geeks for goats, and it gives me an idea.

Individual geeks (or nerds) can set themselves up as the prize for an auction, and people can bid on them, with all funds going to the BIGGER fund. So if someone wants their computer fixed, their work grammar checked, a hat knitted, etc, that's what they'd win. They'd win your services!

What do you think?

July 17, 2009 10:23 PM  
Anonymous Bryn said...

I loved NERDS FOR HERDS. But I'mma steal it....
how about because so much money is raised...


Nerds Grant Herds?

Nerds Supply Herds?

Nerds Present Herds?

July 17, 2009 10:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm really loving "Bibliophile Money Pile" myself. :)

July 17, 2009 10:42 PM  
Anonymous Patrick Notrothfuss said...

The Eolian Effort?
The Fae-touched Fundraiser?
The Sympathy Fund?
Denna's Domesticated Deliveries?
The Illien Achievement?

July 17, 2009 10:43 PM  
Blogger An Albino Druid said...

The Pay of Sir Travien ;)

July 18, 2009 12:27 AM  
Anonymous The Hammer said...

Geeks for Goats is good, but it does seem like the silliness in it would keep away some doners. It seems to me that the Waystone Fund gives fans something that they can get into, and would not deter the ones not in the know.(Although if you aren't in the know, you should totally get into it). The Pay of Sir Savien is a good one too. It's punny, but not too punny.

July 18, 2009 1:17 AM  
Anonymous The Hammer said...

I would also enjoy stating that Patrick Rothfuss is the single greatest author ever born if only because of his ability to capture the full range of emotions a person can experience in their entire lifetime in one book

July 18, 2009 1:19 AM  
Anonymous Oz said...

"WorldBuilders' Ink" sounds perfect to me. No need to change it to something else.

July 18, 2009 1:28 AM  
Anonymous James Thelman said...

Personally, I like my charities or organisations to have a single purpose, and a single title. Something to invoke warmth, passion, comfort, and sustenance for the people who are in need. Something with a good aliteration, easy on the tongue, easy to remember--unforgettable, in fact. That said, I have two suggestions:




They both have that benevolent, fortifying, weighty, comforting, grounding feeling to them.

Go Us!

July 18, 2009 3:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"Fantasy Pages and Nerds' Wages"


"Money Given By Patrick Rothfuss and His Loyal Deciples for the Purpose of Livestock Distribution to People Who Have Need of Livestock Because we Wish to Save the World"

July 18, 2009 3:26 AM  
Anonymous solstalker said...

The Waystone Fund has a professional, serious ring to it that should keep people coming back year after year (I assume this is going to become a regular thing?)

July 18, 2009 4:07 AM  
Anonymous Anett said...

Um, what about "Bookworm`s for life". =))

July 18, 2009 4:08 AM  
Blogger Shanah said...

Quoting The Hammer: "It seems to me that the Waystone Fund gives fans something that they can get into, and would not deter the ones not in the know." I totally agree with this. The team needs a name *everyone* can relate to, and while I like all of the Nerd and Geekcentric ones, the name needs to reach out to the rest of the people who have the means and heart to donate. So, The Waystone Fund, Worldbuilders' Ink and just Waystone as suggested by someone else are good. Unfortunately I can't come up with new suggestions right now.

July 18, 2009 5:09 AM  
Blogger Krys Night said...

Worldbuilders' Ink gives credit to any authors that you have who donate to your fund while also mentioning that the person who is running it is also a phenominal worldbuilder.

July 18, 2009 5:33 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Readers for Heifer. We're doing it for ewe.

July 18, 2009 5:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I like the sympathy fund or waystone fund.
maybe abenthy's pennies?

July 18, 2009 6:39 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great suggestions so far.
I vote for The Sympathy Fund (or maybe just "Sympathy"), because I like how it works in two ways, and yet it doesn't sound too fantastic or nerdy.
But Wordbuilders' Ink (like this) sounds also nice. Nerds for Herds at least gets a hearty chuckle, but it does not really sound serious. Shouldn't it sound a little serious, at least?

July 18, 2009 6:59 AM  
Blogger Karl Ruben said...

For a non-punny, relatively neutral name, the best I can come up with is "Imagine Giving". Great that you're repeating last year's success, Pat; you're an inspiration!

July 18, 2009 8:43 AM  
Anonymous CourtFool said...

"Worldbuilders' Ink"

Patrick Rothfuss' **Worldbuilders' Ink** Charity Drive.

I can already see it in an awesome logo with a tree growing out of the W and a heifer poking its head between the words.

July 18, 2009 9:00 AM  
Blogger Aerron said...

Fulfilling Fantasy

We are fulfilling the fantasies of others that wish to be self sufficient and that our chosen hobby is very rich.


July 18, 2009 10:04 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Swords and Sorcery United Fundraiser.

July 18, 2009 10:21 AM  
Blogger Salvator Sr said...

How about 'Dollars for Ducks' or 'Dorks Do Good' (that one is kinda mean, but we are all good natured folk) or 'Fantasy Makes Dreams Come True' or 'Patrick Rothfuss' Charity Race' or 'Reading for Charity' or 'Fantasy Gives Back'

Hope the girlfriend and the little baby to be are doing great!!!

July 18, 2009 10:56 AM  
Blogger Black Badger said...

How about Feeding The Fantasy or Will Write For Food...

Or (in honor of JL Borges) The Babylambian Lottery

July 18, 2009 11:38 AM  
Anonymous Skyler H. said...

How about Wayward Ducks. Groats for Goats. Out to Pasture. Udder Insanity. Or Group for the Prolification of Udder Essentials. Udder Construction. (Way too many udder puns. I apologize.) Or maybe possibly Wordmongers For Feeding Families.

July 18, 2009 12:03 PM  
Blogger Jacob said...

Of the money that goes to Heifer International, 6.6% goes to administrative costs. 17.7% goes to fundraising. The rest, so three-quarters, is going to programs.

The admin cost is incredibly low and for the fundraising, sometimes you need to spend money to make money.

July 18, 2009 1:39 PM  
Anonymous Sir Drewster III said...

i was thinking A Helping Hoof or Happy Hoof or another variation of Hoof. I think this is such a great charity because it enables the people to make their lives better, instead of just giving away pre packaged guilt donations.

July 18, 2009 1:57 PM  
Blogger An Albino Druid said...

Alright, here we go. I am offering up these names as both suggestions and for springboards for other people to adopt and make their own.

Wealth From the Waystone
Fortune From the Fae
Hiefer Hearthfire
Chronicler’s Coppers
Alpha and Beta
Commonwealth for Common Health
The Pay of Sir Savien Traliard
Lord Haliax Loves Hiefer (come on, he can have a heart!)

My personal favorites of mine:
The Reshi Relief Fund
Talents From Tinüe
Auri’s Animals
Delivering the Draccus (If I am not mistaken, the Draccus is compared to both a chicken and a cow among others.)

I also support the Waystone Fund, Worldbuilders' Ink, Bibliophile Money Pile (although I think this is a little much), the Sympathy Fund, the Eolian Effort, the Fae-touched Fundraiser, and Feeding the Fantasy.

Good luck everyone!

July 18, 2009 2:46 PM  
Anonymous Jason Wells said...

" things like, say, getting your name into The Wise Man's Fear."

Blast...this means the the book will not see the lights in my room until this event is over, probably at least 2 months after that even. Now I'm, as my friend likes to say, 'all sad in mah heart place'.
But Good luck with the event all the same!
I have no good idea's for the name of the fund however, I just came with sadness to offer :)

July 18, 2009 4:02 PM  
Blogger Samantha said...

Hello, long time Pat blog reader and fanatical minion here.

Last year when I contributed to the fundraiser I was very leery because, though I love the Heifer International system and think it's a great idea, I'm also a regular reader at, where a nonprofit rating organization looks at charity efficiency.

Last year Heifer International spent about 75% of their revenue on actual the actual program, and the rest on administration and fundraising. This gave them a 3 star Charity Navigator rating, which I wasn't happy about, but I felt they made up for that fact with their innovative ideas.

Not long after the Pat fundraiser I donated to their China Earthquake relief fund, which was having a matching funds benefit. I was sent a letter stating that the matching funds goal had already been reached, so my donation wouldn't be matched. I certainly didn't mind; I was glad to give. I did mind when they continued to advertise matching funds a week after I received that letter.

I also minded, and continue to mind, the enormous amount of mailings I get from them, including the World Ark, their glossy, high budget magazine which I'm sure makes a lot of middle class Americans feel better about themselves, but probably doesn't feed any poor people.

This is not the status quo. Charity Navigator lists many 4 star charities in International Development and Relief with better efficiency records. Most of them are in the 80-85% range, but there are exceptional organizations that really put their money where their mouths are. A couple examples:

Action Against Hunger provides sustainable sources of nutrition and clean water so poor communities can cope in the long term, and has 89% efficiency.

International Rescue Committee, Einstein's brainchild, which assists refugees displaced by war and natural disasters in finding new homes and livelihoods has 90%efficiency.


P.S. sorry that was so long winded
P.P.S. I <3 Kvothe

July 18, 2009 5:53 PM  
Anonymous John Nevets said...


The Chronicler's Corral

The Name of the Duck

Kvothe's Corral

The Wise Man's Fund

The Wise Man's Tribute

Books for Birds

Books for Beaks

As much as I like Waystone Fund, it does sound too formal, or like a Banking fund. My opinion is that to reach the widest audience the term should have some fun or whimsy in it (like this blog). And I think that can be done without being too silly or exclusive, like Geeks for Goats is. I would give money to that fund, but I could see how others would be hesitant. That being said, I also like the idea of tying the name to this blog or the story that brought us here, once again with out being too exclusive.

Anyway, just my thoughts, I'll donate again no matter what it is called.


July 18, 2009 6:21 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

When you first introduced this fundraiser you said that the people at Heifer's wouldn't be able to do anything with your picture, aside from maybe put a cow next to it and plead your need for them.

You have been proven wrong. And if we have anything to say about it you will be there next year.

July 18, 2009 11:46 PM  
Blogger Erin said...

Defiantly sounds like something I’m interested in.

As for a name, the best I can think of is “Kingkiller Kampaign.”
Perhaps replacing the "C" with a "K" is a bit too much… And "Kingkiller" is a bit of an odd name for a charity.

July 19, 2009 12:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The 'Sympathy Fund' suggestion is the the best imo.

July 19, 2009 7:15 AM  
Blogger Christy said...

I like Worldbuilders Ink. :)

This is my first comment as I have just found your blog after searching for your second book. Then I found all the mean things people were saying about it not coming out for a while, and I was like WTF?!

I just want to say you take your time with it, because you are a wonderful writer and I can't wait to read it no matter how long it takes to pump out those words. :)

July 19, 2009 8:32 AM  
Blogger D said...

I've read through the list of suggestions, and some of them are pretty funny. However. This is an extremely noble cause, not a joke, and though we are (mostly) a bunch of goofy booknerds and fiction geeks, this charity will be a representation of our higher natures as globally responsible caring human beings. So, laughter aside, we’ll find ourselves with more credibility, respect, wider representation, and more converts is we go classy.
Of the names presented my vote would be for The Waystone Fund or Worldbuilders' Ink. Both of these names play to our common interests while leaving room for a host of really nifty interpretations.
The Waystone Fund carries with it the mythology of travel, passage, safety, community, and building something monolithic and enduring - a solid foundation for a journey of growth. It sounds like paving the way and making a way, like producing possibilities for people to form their own journeys; a Way set in Stone, immutable and yet brimming with new horizons.
Worldbuilders’ Ink draws to mind, well, world-building. Creating the world we dream of and helping others to build their own. The pluralization makes it more accessible and community-oriented. As for Ink, I’m not above a little play on words, and ink is a medium for giving permanence to art, be it drawn in words or images. Ink is power, like a cartographer’s pen or a printer’s press opening the world to people.

The Waystone Fund or Worldbuilders' Ink are your strongest options. I lean toward the Fund, but either one will make a great name for a philanthropic organization such as this.

July 19, 2009 1:29 PM  
Blogger An Albino Druid said...

Alright, D, you have convinced me, because that is a very beautiful way to put it. My votes are officially for Waystone Fund and Worldbuilders' Ink.

IIn fact, and this may be reaching a bit...

But how about just "The Waystone Fund, by Worldbuilders' Ink"?

Beautiful. Is that not the most mature sounding charity you have ever heard of!?

July 19, 2009 3:54 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Worldbuilders' Ink

This name helps to include the many other authors (i.e. worldbuilders) that contribute all that cool stuff.

A possible variation could be "The Worldbuilders' Fund"

July 19, 2009 6:54 PM  
Blogger Kathryn said...

I agree, The Waystone Fund is the best. Personalization along with the message of being a money raiser.

July 19, 2009 9:38 PM  
Anonymous kytyn said...

Charity Navigator doesn't take into consideration the Passing on the Gift part of Heifer International. (X) dollars go to Program Expenses for (Y) animals but (Y)x2 animals are actually given when the baby animals get passed on to the neighbor. (And then you get (Y)x3 when ~that~ neighbor passes one on, etc.)

For people looking up Heifer on Charity Navigator - "Heifer Project International" is the actual program that gives the animals and educates the farmers; "Heifer Foundation" is the management branch so it has a much higher admin cost (but much lower revenue and expenses).

Oh, and just do what I do and after you read your copy of World Ark leave it in public where it can also be ~passed on~. (doctor's offices, break rooms, etc)

July 19, 2009 9:48 PM  
Blogger Steve S said...

The Waystone Fund is a good one - as it allows you the freedom to sponsor other efforts from the same fund. Just as would Worldbuilders Ink. However, I believe that Strunk & White disciples might argue that it should be Worldbuilders's Ink . . . ;)

July 20, 2009 8:06 AM  
Anonymous LordMortimur said...

This comment is regarding D's post: I could not have said it better myself.

July 20, 2009 10:51 AM  
Blogger Ben said...

Patrick RothFund?

July 20, 2009 12:43 PM  
Anonymous Mike said...

I like puns and silliness as much as anyone, but I agree with Pat that the name probably shouldn't be too silly. Along those lines, maybe something like "Fantasies Coming True," or "Fantasy Coming True."

If we really want to go with puns, maybe "Fantasists Coming Through" or something along those lines.

July 20, 2009 12:58 PM  
Anonymous jeff said...

dulator's dimes? denna's heart-shaped fund? patrick-rothfuss-has-an-amazingly-big-heart-only-eclipsed-by-the-generosity-of-his-fans-fund? Kvothe's pied pipers of heifer? whatever i have to pay to get more of that damnable resin?! Whatever you call it, I'll be donating with a smile. (although I'm in line with the waystone fund)

July 20, 2009 1:54 PM  
Blogger Julie said...

Herding Compassion! ...or not.

July 20, 2009 11:20 PM  
Anonymous JAB said...

"Will write for food"
Sorry, that suggestion just made me smile. I know it can't be used for obvious reasons, but I still love it :)

I'm not very creative,sadly. I do have a lot of opinions though :D I happen to like "Feeding the Fantasy" because of the nice dreamy feel that it has. If that isn't satisfactory maybe "bibliophile money pile" mostly because of the way it sounds. Waystone fund is good; however, I think it sounds TOO professional. There were some other clevers ones as well that related your name, Pat. In the end, whatever name you choose is fine with me :)

As for the comment relating the book release and that in order to put someone's name for the character, it would have to wait until after the fundraiser, I agree that it is very sad that anxious fans like me will have to wait even longer for the next book. However, I came to terms with that fact immediately after reading Pat's blog pertaining to the book release. I want the upcoming book to be as good as the first and better if possible (only Pat could achieve this), after all, The Name of the Wind is one of the best fictional books I have read in years (even topped the seventh book in the Harry Potter series) and I must say I read more than the average person ;) If we have to wait until 2025, the book, I'm sure, will blow everyone away, literally. Time yields perfection, not 100% of course, but the longer we wait the better the book, just a simple fact.

I'm writing a novel myself haha. Well Pat, I hope you are doing well and the same to your girlfriend and family. I'm sure the fundraiser will succeed even greater than last time, even without all the new awesome prizes. Thank you for creating such an amazing book and being the hilarious, intelligent person you are :)

-Pat's Avid Fan

July 21, 2009 3:54 AM  
Blogger Danikacm said...

Get the Wise Man's Fear published.

July 21, 2009 6:44 AM  
Blogger Charles said...

This time around things may be a bit bigger. As such, you may want to hold off on the promise to match all funds. Instead, let us pledge to match another donation. I'm sure whichever company handles the background details can make that work. I'd be willing to pledge to match. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

July 21, 2009 9:46 AM  
Blogger The Art of Kim Kincaid said...

I like "Sympathy". Compassionate Magic.

July 21, 2009 10:48 AM  
OpenID bruleeblog said...

If you're thinking of an auction you should go have a gander at this one to get some ideas.

I bet Brenda would be willing to give you advice too, 'cause she's nice like that.

July 21, 2009 11:28 AM  
Blogger Samantha said...

@ Kytyn,

You bring up a good point about Passing on the Gift. One of the ongoing frustrations of Charity Navigator and other charity review sites/organizations is the lack of Effectiveness rating. Obviously no matter how high your fund efficiency, effectiveness is the most important thing. It would be a major undertaking, but trying gauge effectiveness would be a real boon to poor givers like me. :)

When I watched a few of their Passing on the Gift ceremony videos I teared up, it definitely seems like an empowering thing. And as I said before, their system is innovative and I totally respect them for that. I just wish I didn't get several fund raising mailings from them a month, because it doesn't make me want to give them money, and I'm sure it's a big budget sink.

I also like your idea of leaving the World Ark in public places. It's a fun read with a good layout. If I just got the Ark I'd feel better about Heifer.

My feeling is that I won't give to them this year, but if I see some small improvement by next year it will show me they're trying and I'll give to them then.

@Pat, OMG I love MS Paint Adventures

July 21, 2009 12:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Waystone and Worldbuilders' Ink got me thinking:

Lodestone Ink: Saving Villages

July 21, 2009 1:41 PM  
Blogger matthew said...

I actually heard about you for the first time from the Heifer Intl. magazine. I just acquired your book and plan to start it tonight.

July 21, 2009 2:28 PM  
Blogger jason.moseley said...

Based on the fact that "other people in the Fantasy and Sci-fi publishing world pitched in," it appears that a name befitting a wider variety of writers is needed; not just something NotW-related.

* Literary Realms Contribution
* Fantasy Fiction Fund
* Writers for Heifer International

Bland, but broad.

July 21, 2009 3:32 PM  
Blogger Angela said...

Oh Danikacm, you have committed quite the faux pas. I believe Pat even wrote an entire blog about internet etiquette. (Perhaps some HTML code savvy person can provide a link?). So, taking a leaf out of Pat's page, I will assume you *actually* meant, "I really love The Name of the Wind and can't wait for the sequel! Take your time, though, because I can imagine how much work goes into providing your avid fans with quality and lengthy prose." This seems preferable to what you seemed to say: "Who cares about baby ducks and charities? You should focus all of your efforts on ME!"

Warm wishes,

July 21, 2009 8:03 PM  
Anonymous Karsh said...

Worldbuilding 101?
Project Arcadia?
Fantasy Come True?
Tauri for Tarbean?

July 21, 2009 10:17 PM  
Blogger merus said...

Honestly I'd just go with "Worldbuilders". Split it out into two words to emphasise that Heifer essentially builds a world for the people it helps, instead of dropping a magically appearing hospital that doesn't have the society behind it to keep it running (which is, of course, the problem worldbuilding tries to solve).

July 22, 2009 12:02 AM  
Blogger An Albino Druid said...

I would like to propose a toast and possible round of applause for Angela, the Angel Who Put Danikacm in his place.

Here here!

July 22, 2009 12:11 AM  
Blogger Captain Joe said...

Some fantastic ides all throughout this post!

I've been thinking on it for the past few days and came to two unfortunate truths:

1. I'm not very creative - damn. And;

2. You shouldn't microwave instant noodles. Ever.

I'd avoid the pun, Pat, people don't often laugh at puns - they groan. 'A form of wit to which wise men stoop and fools aspire'. I can't remember who said that.

Anyway, pennies are being saved.

All the best.

July 22, 2009 2:22 AM  
Blogger Andreas said...

Fantastic Funds? (Since both Sci-Fi and Trad-Fiction authors contributed)

[...] Ex Libris?
Pace/Pax Ex Libris? (Peace From Books)

Pecunia/aes/bursa Ex Libris?
(Money/Funds From Books)

Cibus Ex Libris? (Food From Books)

Or a derivative: Cibus Ex Figmentum (Food From Fiction)

Adjuvo Ex Libris?
(Help From Books)

A pun on Goats From Geeks? Ovis Ex Libris? (Sheeps From Books)

Panis Ex Libris? (Breads From Books) Though I would recommend a *very* clear typesetting and font.

Stipis Ex Libris? (Gifts From Books)

Please recognize that I know absolutely zero latin and used an online dictionary to generate words. You'd have to check with someone who actually understands Latin to find the right usage.

July 22, 2009 7:22 AM  
Anonymous NoTroll said...

How about combining two that seem to get the most inc to get Waystone Ink Fund or Waystone Fund Ink? Some pun and some more serious.

July 22, 2009 7:50 AM  
Blogger Grayem said...

Here's a few I thought up after reading the hopefully getting the idea behind Heifer International.

Happiness Helps

Creative Consequences

The People Project

I hope none of these charity names exist. If they do, sorry had no idea, but hey great minds and all that. :)

July 22, 2009 11:51 AM  
Blogger logankstewart said...

I like Waystone Fund and Worldbuilder's Ink. With the "Ink" added, it could serve as a bridge to artists that illustrate the fantastic, too, who wish to donate.

July 22, 2009 2:33 PM  
Anonymous The Pluralizer said...

This may be a little late, but Worldbuilders, written as one word and as part of the proper noun Worldbuilders Ink., is a plural noun. Unless you are stating that the Ink (which is a pun on the designation Incorporated) belongs to the Worldbuilders, then go with it simply as a plural noun and not as a possessive. In other words, if you consider Worldbuilders Ink. to be a proper noun in its entirety, then the correct possessive would be Worldbuilders Ink.'s. You dig, no?

July 22, 2009 2:49 PM  
Blogger Bridget said...

Pat you should make Name of the Wind wordle posters ( for the fundraiser. They could be prizes, but honestly, I'd buy one. And, since I bought and autographed book last year (and already own 2 other copies) I probably won't be buying another book. But if you had the poster, you could sign those? And, I bet it'd be a pretty sweet ass poster.

July 22, 2009 7:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

As much as I shouldn't say this to a group of NotW Fans, I don't think the name is all that important. Almost every(serious) suggestion is acceptable. You have already named it Baby ducks (ducklings?) why not stick with that. What ever you do don't go to a vote.

What is important is Sponsorship and on what scale. For some reason I feel like this might sound bad but: Don't Match it this time pat! Please. You've got a new college fund to start :) But I was wondering if you have any plans for this? And if it would be possible to use the Ad and promotions for the Wise man's fear to help? Or even add something about the charity on the back flap or something. I don't know what kind of pull A Author who has only released One book is, but I am guessing its not that much. But your so likable and its charity.I know this is far to long a post but its way down here so probably nobody will read it anyway.

P.S. Thanks Sara for I know you get far to little credit for the help you will and did give in this. But don't let him make you do to much. And please help keep him in line. Oh, And what's your(her) Favorite Name.... for the charity?


July 22, 2009 8:14 PM  
Anonymous M said...

I was hoping someone would find a way to work the character Trapis, the charitable man in Tarbean, into a name. Oh well; lot's a great suggestions.

July 22, 2009 11:07 PM  
Anonymous Lisa said...

I also though Trapis would be nice to incorporate but the name itself doesn't exactly radiate congeniality. I do have to say that I am a big fan of Geeks for Goats although it's not a "serious" name. But look at the name of the charity itself, Heifer. It that name inspires charitable feeling it's because the charity has made it so, not because a large black and white mammal invokes the spirt of giving. Really, this whole drive is a subsidiary of Heifer therefore it make sence to stick of the animal theme. If we're not going clever but slightly silly, I think it has to be a name that roles off tounge, smooth as melted butter, The Eolian Effort is good example.

July 23, 2009 10:21 AM  
Blogger Nitro said...

Maybe something like:

Four Corner Creatures


Four Corner Critters

They have the allusion to NOTW but also apply to our own world that we are trying to build into a better place. Plus there is the animal factor. I tried to come up with something that included reference to the Crockery but everything just sounded like we were going to slow cook the animals.

July 23, 2009 10:45 AM  
Anonymous The Hammer said...

Go Angela! *clap* *clap* *clap* To all people who wish to force Pat to hurry up I would just like to say that if you want a high quality product, like NotW, you have to be patient. Otherwise, you will end up with just another LotR clone. Pat: take as long as you need to to make this book great! We all know it will be worth the wait

July 23, 2009 6:19 PM  
Blogger Avala said...

Sorry got another one! Wordbuilder's ink.! but more than that i like the Waystone Fund. it sounds so...Kvothe...

July 23, 2009 8:51 PM  
Blogger Matt said...

Hei For Poor
Duck Socialists
Ray of Hei


July 24, 2009 2:00 AM  
Anonymous Ron D. said...

How about FantaSeed?

Combines the fantasy element with the idea of giving these needy families a living, growing gift to help them better their lives.

July 24, 2009 9:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

How about


Like Woodstock but Livestock

July 24, 2009 11:35 AM  
Blogger Cyan said...

Fantastic Creatures. Or perhaps Fantastic Beasts (a la Rowling).

July 24, 2009 11:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"One Trick Pony" would be good.

Because that's what you certainly appear to be.

July 24, 2009 12:41 PM  
Blogger BeatriceBlythe said...

Why do you have to anonymously be a bastard? If you're going to be the one to make the 'steaming pile of poo' comment that ruins all the good ones, at least have the guts to put a name on it. Jeez!! Man up!

Ahem. Anyway, I disagree with 'Worldbuilders' Ink' I think the word play is funnier if you write it like a real corporation would. 'Worldbuilders, Ink.' That way it's still plural, and it's formatted the way it would be if it was 'Inc.' Hence, the joke. If you make it possessive, I think it ruins the pun.

Anyway, that's my favorite one. :D

July 24, 2009 1:08 PM  
Anonymous James Johnes said...

Anonymous, whoever you are, the fact that you called an author who has published one book a "one trick pony" makes me never want to stop making fun of you. You: A) have no taste B) have no grasp of what constitutes a well constructed, witty riposte to a book you apparently disliked C) apparently need a goat of your own, seeing as you're taking up part of your day to insult an author you do not like (badly), indicating you have little to nothing productive to do.

Also, since you've declined to even sign your name, I have decided to name you O.J. Tumpkins. Which is better than you deserve.

July 24, 2009 2:14 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wouldn't call the Name of the Wind just one trick. When I read it ,it was like 5,000 little brilliant events, some surprising tricks sure, but their were jokes and witty word play. An experience maybe but even that seems to under state it because it was several experiences rolled in one. If you've ever wrote something( be it poetry ,short story, Love letter) You can tell the difference between some one writing something and taking time working on something. With most writers you will notice a few nice things in each book that sing out like Kvothe's lute and make reading the book worth it. This was not just another book. I am not saying its the best book this side of the year 2000 or even my favorite but when you see the talent Pat has and yet can still see the effort he put into perfecting it not once, twice, or even just 100 extra times, it makes me smile.

But then again Pat's really done with book two its just the semantics with editors that is left. So i doubt any of these comments about wanting it will bother him. And raising 100,000 dollars for a charity is a little bit harder than pulling a rabbit out of your.....A....hat.

"One trick Pony" HAha, trying to imagine a pony doing a trick worthy of the NotW is funny:)

Mine brake dances while changing colors as it recites poetry. Its brake dancing isnt the best but I think it might just be nerves about the poetry, its kind of personal. Wait.. is that just one trick?


July 24, 2009 9:29 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, I thought Name of the Wind was a fabulous book. It's one of my favorites and I've read literally thousands of books in this genre over many, many years. I'm a fan, but I'm not blind.

My "one trick pony" comment is more of a personal commentary about Pat, and what makes Pat tick. Pat is not a finisher. You can tell that from his umpteen zillion years in college and how he's approached finishing the second book. Pat gets distracted. Pat likes to smell the roses along the way. Pat is not what you'd call a 'driven' person. And finally, deep down, Pat doesn't really want to grow up and have the responsibilities and stresses of an adult that he must face as a professional writer.

This 2-book series is actually just one book, which Pat finished quite a while ago while he was drifting along at university. I have no doubt the expanded second book will be published and be a resounding success. It's already done, he's just expanding and polishing something already completed long ago. I don't discount his writing talent at all, it's gigantic. What I doubt is his ability to finish what he starts in any kind of timely way.

This was a work of love for Pat. Polished and polished until it shines with a beautiful literary sheen. He took his time and did it right over year and years. I think the problem that will arise for him is when he has to write another book. One from scratch, under advance contract, with the publisher watching over his shoulder. I don't think that's going to go quite so well for him.

I really hope I'm wrong. I'm pulling for Pat because he's a heck of a nice guy and a great writer when he's focused. So far though, I'm not seeing a lot that indicates he can cut it as a professional writer. Oh, we may get a book or two from him over the next 10 to 15 years but I think that will be about it. Too bad, really. Just too damn bad.

July 25, 2009 5:21 PM  
Blogger marky said...

Man, I was all set to come on and make my usual witty and insightful comments, when I realised that I’m not witty or insightful…Bah!

And, to make matters worse, I smell an armchair psychologist in our midst’s….Double bah!

Anonymous, it was seriously funny though. The whole, ‘yes I like the book very much, but I think Pat’s a bum’ comment was hilarious. It was like shaking his hand and poking his eye at the same time!

It was very Monty Python. I actually thought you might have been using a dead parrot to bang out the words on your keyboard at one point.

What got me the most was the comments about Pat not being a finisher. I bet you Sarah wished he hadn’t “finished” when she had her head down the chunky enjoying her morning sickness for the first time.

Look, as far as the second book goes, it’s at the publishers. Steps are being made to insure that the book will be with us all soon. Therefore, there’s no need to make sarcastic comments that’ll just wind up the regulars. Bar stools will be thrown, and nobody wants to leave here with sugar glass in their eyes. We cool?

Don’t for one-minute think, that the guy that wrote TNOTW, doesn’t have a cupboard full of stories set in the four corners of civilisation. He’s completely obsessive about the tiny details, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he already had his ideas about a number of books after the King Killer Chronicle series is finished.

Pat, and other artists like him, must have a hell of a time putting out their product to the public. Let’s face it; you’re only as good as your last project. If you don’t get to a stage that you’re happy with your work as it stands, you should be allowed time to polish it up. It’s better being a slow finisher than a poor finisher in my eyes. And, as it’s the artists reputation and livelihood at stake, it would be fair to give them the time to bring up their child how they like. It doesn’t affect anybody else’s wallets or well being. They only thing we have to deal with is a bit of waiting. A pretty sweet deal for us, if you ask me.

We are all among friends here, so please pick a name, so that I don’t feel like I’m shouting into the night.

Oh, and when TWMF comes out, I hope Pat takes a good long break to enjoy his new bambino. while he’s doing that, I’ll try and be patient, and try hard not to leave a burning bag of shit on his doorstep.

Yer pal Marky, who likes ya a loat.

P.S Diamond Ducks (just because I’m listening to Bowie while I write this)

WV: Forke - Stick a forke in it pal!

July 25, 2009 8:30 PM  
Blogger sparkly_jules said...

Heifer Wind
The Name of the Heifer
A Book for a Duck
Dollars for Ducks
Bucks for Ducks
Quoth the Heifer

More to come as I think of them.

July 25, 2009 9:42 PM  
Anonymous Gathers Scrolls said...

Well said, Marky! *applause*

Oh, and 'Anonymous'? You seem to have miscounted. The 'two book series' will actually be a trilogy. Secondly, the 'one trick pony' that is currently out, and the second book by the (already) professional writer Mr. Rothfuss? For all you know, they're just the barkers outside of the circus tent. Thirdly, as Max pointed out in The Princess Bride, if you rush, you get lousy miracles. Thirdly, any time constraints, and certainly Mr. Rothfuss' personal life and character, are surely not the concern of you or I. But, I defer to Neil Gaiman, who has put it so eloquently:

July 26, 2009 7:58 AM  
Blogger D said...

Marky and Gather Scrolls have both said it, but I'll add my version.

If you want a grocery-store Harlequin, I can bang one out every three months.
If you want a stock-formula mystery/adventure I can have that through publishing in a year.
However, if that type of writing, the quantity/constant new-release/more-of-the-same type, is your measuring stick for a 'true professional writer' I pity you like I pity the people who swear the "Left Behind" books were well-written.

Since you obviously didn't read much of Pat's blog, I'll paraphrase: for every hundred words that make it into the book, Pat writes thousands. It's not simply holding up production fussing about which word is stronger for the sake of hubris. It is a complete re-envisioning of themes and scenes until they express the story to the quality that Pat demands of himself. It is this quality of dogged perfectionism that made Pat's first novel so very exceptional. I wouldn't have it any other way.
We don’t want a juvenile novel that was ‘basically finished a long time ago.’ We want the professional work that shows the time, talent, education, skill, and passion that Pat has amassed over all the years he has put into it and polished with the wisdom of stronger, more mature Pat of today. We want the thousands of words. They beat out the stick figure every time.

I'd say some other choice words of personal commentary about what I've seen of YOUR character, but Pat believes I am smarter, funnier, better-looking, altogether a better person than that, and frankly, so do I.

July 26, 2009 5:04 PM  
Blogger Angela said...

Anonymous: Don't fall into the depths of pessimism. Even if Pat doesn't come out with another series...Well, isn't one magnificently written series enough to be getting on with?

D: Don't forget we're also better lovers and generally smell of pie. lol.

Inconspicuously putting my bar stool back down,

wv: damint - delicious candy only eaten in times of extreme frustration.

July 26, 2009 6:51 PM  
Blogger kjy1066 said...

I am not sure why anyone hasn't mentioned this one before:

The Wise Man's Steer

It references the new book, is punny, but not too over-the-top.

July 26, 2009 10:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know this is off topic, but i found a really cool picture of kvothe, haliax and elodin. painted by Sandara on deviantart. Here's the link just wanted to share it with fellow fans

July 27, 2009 8:12 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Fusser's Ark

Short, references both the source and the cause, light-hearted without being disrespectful.

July 27, 2009 8:33 AM  
Blogger jdcb said...

I like something to do with the Waystone Fund or something along that lines. It sounds nice and professional to anyone who may not have read the book, but makes complete sense to someone who has.

July 27, 2009 8:47 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Pat is a grown man and is quite capable of defending himself if he deems necessary. All the pundits trying to explain his reasons for doing things are speaking for someone they most likely don't know. I was one of Pat's students at University. He showed up everyday for class and insisted we do the same. He's definitely a finisher. So let anonymous have his opinions and let Pat respond if he sees fit.

July 27, 2009 9:05 AM  
Blogger D said...

Thank you, anonymous student. We too believe in Pat. Though many of us have not been so fortunate as to have met him in person, we have gotten to know him through his blog.
We also believe in Pat's ability to defend himself against spurious commentary. However, we believe that he doesn't, and shouldn't, have to. Much of what we have been saying here, Pat has already said for himself, and our zeal to put down his detractor is partly because we are offended on Pat's behalf not only at what was so thoughtlessly said, but because the speaker did not bother to 'get to know' Pat through his blog as we have.
It is a weak substitute for a personal relationship, but it doesn’t not prevent us from caring deeply for him and wanting to spare him any discomfort and the onerous chore of repeating himself.

July 27, 2009 10:41 AM  
Anonymous Maya said...

About what you said about Pat taking his time in college, as proof of him as a non finisher, the fact that he did graduate and become an english professor, makes your statement a fallacy.

As for your other reason why you believe the crap you're spouting, the delayed second book, you conveniently left out the fact that Pat's mother died and his father fell ill during the time he was polishing TWMF.

Another thing, has it entered your mind that the experienced Pat had gathered throughout those years had helped or will help him write novels we will enjoy in the future? He has a well spring of knowledge/ideas that I'm sure will prove to be invaluable now that he's a professional writer. Heck, if writers with as much talent as Goodkind can write books as much as he likes, why do you assume that Pat won't be able to write novels that'll blow us away.

I for one thinks that Patrick Rothfuss has the makings of a master storyteller. I know that because he told us, his readers, that we are "clever, sexy and smells like apple pie and are a class above the normal internet rabble". :)

As to the topic. What Beatrice suggested, WorldBuilders, Ink does looks fantastic.

July 28, 2009 9:11 AM  
Blogger Jarod said...

Fantasy Fanancial

July 28, 2009 2:08 PM  
Blogger Jarod said...


July 28, 2009 2:11 PM  
Blogger Maggie said...

How amazing Pat!! First, how amazing that you've encouraged people to help Heifer, which, I agree, is one darn splendid charity.

Only slightly more awesome:

on the blackboard behind you.... is that a layout of the University?? Oh how glorious. It would be really, really cool if you posted a sketch of its layout for us "visual learners" who like our information organized that way.

But sweet!!

July 28, 2009 4:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I vote Bibliophile Money Pile or Nerds for Herds...

July 30, 2009 1:12 AM  
Anonymous Peter said...

"Heifer's Inkers"

July 30, 2009 6:55 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

squeee ... Heifer is my favorite charity too. I introduced the Read to Feed at my kids elementary school, where's it's still going strong.

When you said World-builders, I "heard" Ark-builder since it's my goal to someday have the $5000 to purchase an ark from Heifer. So, maybe Ark-builder Ink

BTW ... hi, i'm a fan-girl from Maryland who read your book in a weekend and then proceeded to tell anyone who listened about it.


August 11, 2009 12:01 PM  

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