Thursday, April 1, 2010
Cage Match - Kvothe vs. Jaime

As many of you know, Kvothe is one of the final four remaining fighters in Suvudu's fantasy cage match. After beating Aslan and Dumbledore, he's come head-to-head with Jaime Lannister from Martin's Song of Ice and Fire books.

Right now I'm losing. And while that stings a little, it doesn't sting nearly as much as what Sarah said to me last night.

"Are you still losing to Jaime Lannister?" she asked.

"Yeah," I said. "By a couple percentage points."

"Well, Jaime's a pretty awesome character," she said. "I don't think that Kvothe will be able to beat him."

Now she's entitled to her own opinion, of course. But still, what the hell? Whatever happened to "Stand by Your Man?" Even leaving aside the fact that I'm the pater familias, you'd think that she might at least show a little brand loyalty. After all, Kvothe as the one who puts food on our table and gives us the money to buy Oot jingly toys.

Seriously. Ow. My authorial pride is all hurty now.

Anyway, since I had a lot of fun writing up the Kvothe Vs. Aslan scenario, and a bunch of people asked for something similar for Kvothe vs Jaime, I decided to type one up. I just sent it in to Suvudu site, so it should be up there for you to see pretty soon.

Here's a link to the fight, if you want it.

And remember, this round of the fight only lasts until Friday (tomorrow) noon. So if you want to vote in the last two matches, you need to do it soon.



posted by Pat at


Blogger Nick Olivo said...

I loved this write up! Go Bast!

April 1, 2010 8:44 AM  
Anonymous AC said...


Rothfuss that write up is amazing!!!! Here's hoping GRRM responds in kind :D

April 1, 2010 8:45 AM  
Blogger ripshin said...


You may be the pater familias, but are you bonified?

Go Kvothe!!!


April 1, 2010 8:53 AM  
Anonymous Asa said...

A nice story, although it was a little more Jamie vs. Bast than Jamie vs. Kvothe. Still you get points for being original.

April 1, 2010 8:55 AM  
Blogger james said...

Sweet, I'll go check this out. Has to be good.

April 1, 2010 9:02 AM  
Anonymous Darb07 said...

I already voted for Kvothe but I have to go read this!

April 1, 2010 9:05 AM  
Blogger Eric said...

Bring up Kvothe's numbers, vote for him twice!

April 1, 2010 9:07 AM  
Anonymous Skymnolf said...

Wow Pat you captured the very essence of Jamie in that. Are you sure you don't do fan fiction anymore? Well anyway Kvothe made his way to the final four with only the prestige of ONE book. It took Lannister four, Rand Twelve (I think), And Drizzt the entire west wing of the Library of Congress. This proves at least to me you are the best writer of the four. You may not win with Kvothe but that will only be because you have not had as long to build up your minions (spelling?)

April 1, 2010 9:12 AM  
Blogger Felipe said...

Absolutely brilliant write up Pat. I just love how even through a fan pandering cage match scenario you are still able to add life and story to your characters.

April 1, 2010 9:16 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So Kvothe really has lost everything? Even naming?
I have the feeling the end of this trilogy is going to seriously depress me. But realism in fantasy is always a nice breath of fresh air.

April 1, 2010 9:18 AM  
Blogger franti said...

Your characterization of Jaime was pretty spot on, gotta say. bravo.

April 1, 2010 9:22 AM  
Blogger Black Badger said...

Great write up, really enjoyable and a great snapshot of Jaime as well. I'm reluctant to log in to multiple computers to cast multiple votes, but I'm really hoping something awesome happens and Kvothe breaks through to the finals. I am also slightly terrified that this may have revealed a little more than any of us want to know about Kvothe, but I don't really think you'd do that to us. Would you Pat?

April 1, 2010 9:35 AM  
Blogger Jennifer said...

It's always the surprize twists that do it. Assuming this meets with the rule of the competition, this is a fabulous twist and one that nobody saw coming (except you, of course). I can tell you took a few days to think it through. I'm glad you did. You have such a fantastic way of putting your reader into the scene with the characters. No wonder we're all waiting with stinky, baited breath for book II.
Thank you for my day's entertainment.

April 1, 2010 9:37 AM  
Blogger dillivered said...

I love asoiaf, and I understand why people like Jaimie in terms of character depth and such, but I wouldn't even pick Dany over Kvothe. She has three dragons, an army of well trained eunuchs, Fat Belwas, a bunch of Dothraki body guards, and the aging but still deadly Barristan Selmy, yet I'd still have to take Kvothe.

I guess that probably doesn't make the pain go away. I suggest beer, it solves all of my prob...hmmm.

April 1, 2010 10:15 AM  
Blogger Indilë said...

We're catching up, though! 48 to 52 is not bad... Go Kvothe! And Bast! And awesome write-upsni

April 1, 2010 10:18 AM  
Blogger Iver said...

Fantastic write-up, as was the one with Aslan. Thanks for taking the time out of your schedule to write these up.

April 1, 2010 10:25 AM  
Anonymous Arthur said...

Asking Bast to best Jaime is great. Another point towards Kvothe's intelligence (I bet he has at least a 20, if not 22) and trickery.

April 1, 2010 10:34 AM  
Anonymous Moona said...

Thank you. I like Bast, I like the broken Kvothe and I like the odd friendship between the two of them. Jaime is ok too. And I enjoyed your lovely little story very much.

And ehm. About that authorial pride of yours.

I am extremely protective of my books. I have never before killed a book by reading it for too many times. I have NEVER killed a book in any other ways either. But I think I will have to buy a new copy of The Name of the Wind very very soon...

So, patiently waiting and looking forward to get a chance to murder The Wise Man's Fear too!

(Hmm, that was meant to be a compliment, really!)


April 1, 2010 10:36 AM  
Blogger selah said...

Oh! Oh! Oh! Bast is my very favorite! Thank you so much for the write-up, it's beautiful! Whether you intended it or not, they really are quite a cute (platonic?) couple.

I have to wonder though, if Bast had something to do with Kvothe not expecting Jaime until noon...

April 1, 2010 10:53 AM  
Anonymous educatedpony said...

dear patrick,

please forgive me. this was like a sophie's choice of literary character cage match ups (that's the first time anyone has ever written down such a ridiculous sentence).

anyway, what i'm writing to tell you is that i had to go with the guy who popped my epic fantasy cherry. grrm.

i'ts just that i've just spent so much more time with jaime then with kvothe. maybe kvothe and i can rectify this in the future but until then i'll be...

your mostly loyal fan,
the well educated pony

April 1, 2010 11:08 AM  
Blogger Covetous Wench said...

To say I loved the write-up is an understatement of epic proportions. It was a hard choice, but I pray the vote rallies in Kvothe's favor.

April 1, 2010 11:22 AM  
Blogger Jason said...

Bast met the man’s glassy eyes. “You’re right. He’s not what he used to be. He’s lost everything. No magic. No music. No joy. No hope. You know what he has? You know what’s left?” Bast leaned closer, his voice low and vicious. “Me!” He practically spat the word, his eyes were wild. “He has me!”

That was absolutely brilliant, Pat. The whole thing was good, but that last... moving as all hell. I'm glad you decided to do this write-up, regardless of what happens from here.

April 1, 2010 11:28 AM  
Anonymous jeff said...

loved the write up, but it would have been so much better had bast just incapacitated jaime with the wine, and when he hit the floor, the previously unseen Oot should have dropped from the rafters and shredded him with the kind of frenzied tazmanian devil-like attacks that only a rothfuss progeny could display.

April 1, 2010 11:36 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

But can Kvothe beat Rand? That's the write up I want to see. . .perhaps we could get one even if Kvothe doesn't make this round?

Only 89 vote difference right now though!

- Dave

April 1, 2010 11:46 AM  
Blogger Chris said...

up to 50/50! Kvothe is only down by about 75 votes!

April 1, 2010 11:48 AM  
Blogger David B said...

I think Kvothe could win.. the trick of it is that in GRRM's novels anyone can die. including Jamie

April 1, 2010 11:48 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GO GO GO !! Only 62 VOTES APPART!!!!

April 1, 2010 11:57 AM  
Blogger Jacob said...

Okay, I know this is a silly internet thing that's just for fun. But I am genuinely uneasy to outraged about the results (I will concede in advance that this is a pretty silly thing to be outraged about).

My problem is that the results are drawn by fanboyism rather than an actual bone fide attempt to ascertain who would win a particular fight. I mean can anyone tell me with a straight face that they actually think Drizzt would've beat the Shrike? (or, for that matter, Ged).

After reading GRRM's account of the Cthulhu vs. Jaime battle my outrage subsidized but I still think the wrong call was made. (same with Aslan vs. Kvothe). Both cases the argument was too meta. The whole point of a cage match is that the characters fight. Once you start hedging away from that where do you stop? "Oh, the other character's just from a book therefore I win."

Again, it is pretty silly for me to dislike that this has turned into a popularity contest – because is that really that worse than nerds arguing over who would actually win in a fight? I say that I had hoped my fellow nerds would resist the bandwagon effect.

April 1, 2010 12:19 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

That write up was amazing thank you.

April 1, 2010 12:24 PM  
Blogger Gavin said...

I'm sure it won't stay like this for long, but I was the tie breaker! Kvothe is ahead by one vote!

Kvothe 50% (4,304 votes)
Jaime Lannister 50% (4,303 votes)

April 1, 2010 12:25 PM  
Blogger Guilherme Thomas said...

Bast for thw Win! /o/ \o/ \o\

April 1, 2010 12:29 PM  
Anonymous Dooley said...

Yeah! Kvothe up by 12!!

April 1, 2010 12:35 PM  
Blogger crowder said...

Got a little goose-bumpy from that write-up. Thanks! Can't wait for the next book. Really, really can't wait.

April 1, 2010 12:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Holy hellfire and hoops, Pat! Kvothe is actually winning this thing!

That's amazing...

I mean, sure he's awesome and all. But Martin's characters have been around so much longer, and are a much bigger part of our fantasists' universe.
(though I'm sure once your trilogy is finished, this will be rectified)

I was a bit saddened by the write up cause I was hoping to get some insight into whatever little fight is left within Kvothe, and well... that blurb was just adding fuel to the yaoi fire already brewing.

Then again, Kingkiller Chronicles isn't about swords and kicking asses anyway. It's about humanity and bonds.
So I guess the write up was perfect.

Here's hoping Kvothe has a way around balefire. (cause thousands of us would suddenly feel intense sorrow, never having been enriched by the beauty of NotW)


April 1, 2010 12:50 PM  
Blogger Jason said...

"adding fuel to the yaoi fire"

"Here's hoping Kvothe has a way around balefire."

You've answered your own question. Kvothe should totally fight balefire with yaoifire.

April 1, 2010 1:01 PM  
Blogger Lymond01 said...

This hearkens back to the eternal argument of "Who would win, Superman or Mighty Mouse?" I mean, Mighty Mouse can pick up a train, but Superman lifted up California. Normally I'd go with Supes in this case, but I'm not certain we've really seen all the rodent has to offer. I mean, he's a cartoon while Superman is real, but is that a disadvantage or an advantage? It's all up to the artist, isn't it?

Well, in this case it's up to the fans. Kvothe's leading at the moment, but I wouldn't be surprised if M. Martin engaged his not inconsiderable fanbase and pushed this battle over the edge for the Lannister team.

Perfect write-up.

April 1, 2010 1:07 PM  
Blogger Jason said...

The whole point of a cage match is that the characters fight. Once you start hedging away from that where do you stop?

Are they allowed to use the terrain? Are they allowed to bring weapons? Are they allowed to use the artifacts they've collected on their travels? People pretend there's some "purist" way to have two characters go at it, but it's just not so. Different books have different idioms, and how a fight played out would depend enormously on the milieu.

In the end, for me, if other characters are allowed to use artifacts they acquired in their journeys, and magical powers they've been granted, a character like Kvothe is allowed to use the wits he honed and the friendships he built.

After all, Bast would gladly admit he's another "weapon" in Kvothe's arsenal - the brightest, shiniest, most deadly.

And, frankly "two people are dropped in a pit naked and they fight and the stronger one wins." is a damn dull story.

April 1, 2010 1:07 PM  
Anonymous Specter said...

Some fires are better quenched than used. D:

April 1, 2010 1:09 PM  
Blogger Jon said...

The hosts of the cage match don't pay even token respect to the concept of the cage match. How can I root for anyone when each "How we think the fight will go" sells short both the victor and the victim?

The fans are trying, but the hosts are not.

Nonetheless, I enjoyed the Pat-supplied write-ups. May you get the chance to do another ;)

April 1, 2010 1:11 PM  
Blogger Jennifer said...

I really couldn't decide on this one. I just love Jamie and Kvothe both so much. It was like a fangirl dream come true/worst nightmare. And having met both you and Mr. Martin, I couldn't go with which author was more awesome, because you're both awesome. Then I saw this write up, and also remembered that you're the only author I've knitted for. So, I guess you got my vote. How's Oot liking his Serenity burp rag, btw?

April 1, 2010 1:58 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Woot! Kvothe is currently beating out Jaime by over 150 votes,

Kvothe: 4652
Jaime: 4495

Time to start working on Kvothe v. Rand Al'Thor. ^.~

April 1, 2010 2:22 PM  
Anonymous AndyS said...

Great write-up. I loved it! I just voted for Kvothe and he's up by about 200 votes. Go Kvothe!

I have to admit that I think either Jaime or Kvothe will have a difficult time in the finals against Rand and I'd much rather see Jaime get hit with Balefire... although I would love to see your write up for Kvothe verus Rand (even if Jaime wins).

April 1, 2010 2:22 PM  
Anonymous Jim said...

Go Kvothe!

*Does the jiggity jig*

April 1, 2010 2:28 PM  
Anonymous Bea said...

I was extremely excited to see your story on Suvudu! I had been hoping that you'd do a write up for Kvothe's fight against Jaime (isn't that French for "to like"?), so I was extremely happy!
It was sort of really unexpected that you didn't even throw Kvothe in there, but I feel myself sort of liking Bast more that I used to (I never really spared him any thought), but I was sort of disappointed that Kvothe's super awesomeness wasn't included.
When Kvothe beats Jaime (I'm trying not to be bias, seeing as I've never read the Song of Ice and Fire books, but I think that Kvothe is going to win because he is much cooler and more powerful than what I've heard of this Jaime), please write Kvothe's final fight in the tournament (if this isn't it)! If you don't, I shall be very sorely disappointed.

April 1, 2010 2:35 PM  
Anonymous Kat said...

Just voted for Kvothe... you are at this very moment beating Jaime 51-49! I'm so proud of you! :o
And that write up... pure genious!

April 1, 2010 2:47 PM  
OpenID Synergy012 said...

I think the winner should be whoever publishes first. And since GRRM is only on his third publication date... Kvothe wins!

April 1, 2010 2:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I loved your write up. It rivals GRRM's explanation for Jaime's victory over Cuthulu. I'm now desperate to know why Bast is so loyal to Kvothe. Bast is a Fae so it makes me curious to discovery if Bast's loyality is given or compelled.

Ser Scot

April 1, 2010 3:18 PM  
Blogger JC said...

Damn, dude... just... damn.

I need to send Suvudu a "Thank You" card or something for giving you this excuse to write more about your characters.

Can't wait to see what you come up with for the next match (Kvothe is in the lead now!)

April 1, 2010 3:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Oh no! Is Bast going to die now? If you kill him... *menacing look* But anyway awesome write up, I loved it!

April 1, 2010 4:09 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

oh jr this is so exciting
i hope you're going to win you are up 2% way cool

April 1, 2010 4:37 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder if this is the piece of fanfiction you mentioned earlier on. It certainly has some Bast/Kvothe undertones XD

I voted for Kvothe (or Bast, whichever way you want to look at it), of course!

April 1, 2010 4:38 PM  
Blogger Miro said...

I love your write up! It so true to the story! the same reason I liked the aslan one, it was almost plausible that those thing would've happened. Its as if, after reading your write up, I can't imagine any other way that it would go...and now kvothe is winning!! yay. I'm telling you its because of your write up.

April 1, 2010 5:05 PM  
Blogger Tom said...

Blimey, I missed the previous round looks like, guess Kvoth got Dumbledore without your help.

I went for Kvoth on this one, I went for Kvoth over Aslan because of your write up... and a similar thing with Jaime over Cthulu.

I've had an inkling about your trilogym my expectations being that books 1 and two would deal more with what has gone before with book three moving forward the present timeline. The way you've written up this encounter I think I am perhaps correct... though props to you for keeping Kvothe as he is at the conclusion of book 1 in the present timeline; you could so easily have cheated

"By the end of book three Kvothe has eye Lazerz!!! Pew, Pew, Pew and everyone is dead..." then when this doesn't happen call it a revision ;p

But anyway, I reckon if Mr Martin can use Tyrion then you're well able to use Bast and I vote Kvothe. [plus looks like he's got a comfortable lead atm.]

April 1, 2010 5:33 PM  
Blogger Horizon said...


April 1, 2010 6:01 PM  
Blogger Zack said...

Kvothe making a serious come back! It's over for the Kingslayer! Kingkillers do it better.

April 1, 2010 6:05 PM  
Anonymous Jakob said...

I didn't write this but it was just too fantastic not to post here. In response to how a series with only one book so far could beat GRRM's epic Lakesidey wrote:

Four books for the former archmage of Roke
Seven for Lannisters rolling in sin
Fourteen for that balefire-wielding bloke
One for the kingkiller in his dark inn
In the city of Tarbean, where the shadows lie

One book to rule them all
One book to tame them
One book to bring them all
And in the darkness name them
In the city of Tarbean, where the shadows lie

That's how :)

April 1, 2010 6:39 PM  
Anonymous Furrymoose said...

Haha. I love lakesidey's poetry. I mean, doing a write-up in poem form? That was pretty beastly. (Though he did have Jaime winning. But just because of his fans.)

April 1, 2010 6:52 PM  
Blogger Zafri Mollon said...

looks like that writeup has put Kvothe in the lead (although tentative)! I like Jaime Lannister. A lot. But I give Kvothe a bigger chance down the road against Rand, so go Kvothe! Great writeup Pat!

April 1, 2010 7:55 PM  
OpenID Synergy012 said...

One interesting thing people are glossing over- Kvothe has sword skills? Guess it could simply be reputation.

April 1, 2010 7:56 PM  
Blogger Ali said...

The first write-up was good, but this one was freaking amazing. I like the serious tone you took in writing this. Very, very impressive. Thanks for putting in the time even though you're busy and tired from all the traveling! Your undivided love for your fans - this is what separates you from other authors. Best of luck to Kvothe (and you)!

April 1, 2010 8:23 PM  
Blogger Fernanda said...

I'm sure Sarah hadn't the intention to hurt you at all when she said that, don't feel down because of it, man. At least, Kvothe's(and also yours) legion of fanatical minions is here to assure how great he is.

Loved Bast in your version, he was so damn lovely. Jamie was great too, just as he actually is.

April 1, 2010 8:35 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Bwahahaha... I love that story. It was like garlic bread before the main course :). Finally the right dose of hilarious, smart, fantasy :D

April 1, 2010 8:37 PM  
Blogger Murphy Moon said...

Woo! Kvothe is winning!!

I love Bast

April 1, 2010 8:46 PM  
Blogger Colter said...

Way to find the emotion in it!

April 1, 2010 8:51 PM  
Anonymous Thomas Nelson said...

Looks like Kvothe's gonna take the win now...

April 1, 2010 9:06 PM  
Blogger anita said...

i read your version of it and i'm a bit concerned. i suppose i had hoped that kvothe could still do magic, that there would be music again. but your write up seemed to suggest otherwise.

April 1, 2010 9:19 PM  
OpenID leuthy said...

About 12 hours left and Kvothe is up by 6%! This is exciting!

I'm hoping the reason Bast was so prominent in this one is because Kvothe's saving for the next round. Don't get me wrong, Bast is awesome, but Kvothe in his element would be epic.

Oh, and thanks for writing NotW in the first place. It's one of those books you read, buy, and force/trick/tell others to read. Once they read it, all you've got to do is gently nudge them in the right direction and you have another convert.XD

We would love it if you could find the time to write another write-up. Now I just need to remember to vote tomorrow in the final round...

Thanks for being wicked awesome. :)

April 1, 2010 10:05 PM  
Blogger Treestan said...

Kvothe has got Jaime's number. If it were Tyrion Lannister, I might be worried. Jaime is a cream puff.

April 1, 2010 10:34 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Kvothe's up 53% to 47%. YAY!

April 1, 2010 10:46 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

JAIME... OWNED!!!!!!!

April 1, 2010 11:18 PM  
Blogger Nighteyes said...

That was epic. I'm glad that "The Broken Tree" version of Kvothe got into this competition, rather than the "I speak names you die" Kvothe that seems to be cropping up. Cheers for the epic write.

April 1, 2010 11:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


April 2, 2010 12:27 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What a beautiful writeup! You paint both Aslan and Jaime spotlessly.

April 2, 2010 1:40 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Though, isn't it funny that we've got the Kingkiller fighting the Kingslayer? I'm surprised the Suvudu folks didn't make hay about that.

April 2, 2010 1:45 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GRRM responded in kind :D

April 2, 2010 2:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry, I think this writeup had serious flaws... Kvothe not fighting himself after he defeated even a god? Letting Bast do the dirty work? And honestly, I don't think poisoning someone can be counted as "proper fight". I do not like this line-up as I always voted for both Jaime and Kvothe. But this is really craven, I'm sorry to say that.

I'll vote for Jaime who knows how to fight. See GRRM's write up.

April 2, 2010 3:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Make another write up, pat! Kvothe is losing his leading position!

April 2, 2010 4:14 AM  
Blogger Ryan said...

Oh no, we have an emergency. GRRM posted his write-up. Which, by the way, is rather poor. It has several problems- it's not the Wayfarer inn, Kvothe wouldn't be dictating his story to chronicaller with townspeople there, and he wouldn't rely on straight-up swordplay in a fight for his life. Anyway, the point is, it's swaying the vote back into Jamie's favor. Kvothe need's our support.

April 2, 2010 6:16 AM  
Anonymous Billie said...

Oh. OH. I didn't think it was possible for anything to make me to love Bast any more than I already did, but you somehow managed.

Bloody brilliant. This is legendary. I love GRRM's work, but if it comes to Kvothe vs Jaime? Kvothe will win. He WILL.

April 2, 2010 6:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Damn! Kvothe is loosing again...well, could be his present condition causing that...

But those dirty Bastards don't deserve to win against someone who killed an angel. The sword of such a man would not have been destroyed easily, not by fucking valyrian steel either.

But made a good match against Martin, win or loose...martins writeup has no soul. Yours has Pat.

April 2, 2010 6:21 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Its no matter if Kvothe will win or not. But kvothe will win!prepusne

April 2, 2010 6:31 AM  
Blogger vana naine said...

Mr Martin didn't put lot of attention in this write-up clearly. He could do so much better.
Kvothe SHOULD win this match.
Where are you?
Come and vote!
Then change the brauser and vote again.
It's cheating, but hey, Kvothe cheats, when it's needed.

April 2, 2010 6:35 AM  
Anonymous Ashlee said...

looks like Kvothe won't be winning... ): that's a shame, it's been the highlight of my entire week. But the write ups were amazing, and unlike Jaime and Drizzt, Kvothe made it this far with only one book. He's the very, very best.

April 2, 2010 7:27 AM  
Blogger james said...

Amazing write up, just as I believed it would be. GRRM's was good as well, however, and could possibly be what keeps Kvothe from getting this one. Still pulling for him in the end though.

April 2, 2010 8:33 AM  
Blogger Zafri Mollon said...

How bout we NOT diss GRRM's write-up? He didn't have to do it, so if you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything. They are meant to be quick, fun little reads not ultra-realistic scenarios that take every possible aspect of each character's life into account.
I voted for Kvothe, based on the fact that I like both characters equally but Kvothe simply must have an edge with regards to magic and even swordplay (we know Jaime just isn't that great with his off-hand).

April 2, 2010 9:12 AM  
Blogger Bryant said...

Looking bad for Kvothe, curse it. I really hope we'll all put this match behind us either way and vote for the winner to beat Rand in the Finals, though.

April 2, 2010 9:44 AM  
Blogger Black Badger said...

I'm not here to bash GRRM, I really enjoy his books as well, but will say this. Pat, your write up was gret, because you really nailed both your characters and his. After reading this I'm not sure Martin has even read NOTW. I'll say it again, I really enjoy both works (SoI&F & KC) but at least in this little skirmish of scribe vs. scribe Pat wins by a landslide!

Long live Kvothe!

April 2, 2010 9:46 AM  
Blogger Elicius said...

Maaaan, that was an AWESOME write-up. I have my hops set for a last-minute flourish of Pat-fans =).

Perhaps you should have your luffly lady-friend have a conversation with Bast about Kvothe's merits, so she can fully understand [not to say it'll end the same way, that is].

Long Live Kvothe!

April 2, 2010 9:53 AM  
Blogger Joe said...

Wow, people are definitely getting pretty emotional about these. I hope people realize that it is less about the characters and more about the ability to mobilize a large fanbase. I think it's very cool that both authors took the time to push their champions. They might not be extremely familiar with the other's character and world, but I think they were both written well and respectfully. I was glad to see Kvothe make it this far in a cage match tournament even though, from what we've seen, he's not really a "fighter".

April 2, 2010 9:54 AM  
Blogger Chris said...

It ensaddens me that Kvothe is losing, but I can't hate on GRRM. He is my second favorite author ATM (I best you can't guess #1).

Congrats on making it this far, Kvothe/Pat. You guys are awesome!

April 2, 2010 9:54 AM  
Anonymous AndyS said...

I love both series, but was pulling for Kvothe. Pat's write up was so much more entertaining then GRRM's (but the latter was entertaining).

I'm still hoping Pat will do us the honor of one last write-up, maybe sneak Kvothe into it somehow...

April 2, 2010 9:56 AM  
Blogger Alexis said...

You were in the lead yesterday afternoon after you posted. More rallying is needed! Everyone please note if you have two computers you may vote twice....

April 2, 2010 9:56 AM  
Blogger Jason said...

Honestly, what I wanted to see in the final round was Kvothe and Ged. Since it would have to be Rand al'Thor... meh. Anticlimactic.

April 2, 2010 10:06 AM  
Anonymous Sophia said...

A really great write up. And I love it that you always try to find a creative solution, not like Martin who is just using a...well, in German it's called "Holzhammer-Methode", so I think in Englisch it should be something like a "sledgehammer approach". Anyway, Jaime Lannister is always winning just because of his mighty sword (TM) and his fighting skills. So Pat, take it this way: Even if Lannister wins, Kvothe is a far more creative and intelligent character. Kvothe is a genius, Lannister is only a swordsman. ;)

April 2, 2010 10:15 AM  
Blogger vana naine said...

I really love ASOIAF, as much as NotW. You know, good things about loving books is that mostly they are not jealous =)
No disrespect to GRRM meant above.

Still, GRRM's write-up was not so good to read.
I don't know, why, probably different cultures, but on my homeland you may also express negative opinions, until you do it without naming and hate.

I'm glad he made this, of course, but I could have write better in my native language, truly.

Mr Rothfuss, on the other hand, gave me something really great to read.

Hey, we all love good story! That's why we care about books. Not because of authors, mostly (sorry, mr Rothfuss), but because of the characters and the story.

Good story deserves to be praised, but if you praise everything, where the difference between good story and not-good story shows?

April 2, 2010 10:20 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aw, looks like Martin rallied his fanbase overnight. I much prefer Pat's version of the fight. :)

Perhaps it's for the best... Jordan (may he rest in peace) created a very interesting (if cliché-ridden) world, but his prose makes me cringe and his characters are obnoxious.

I would've hated voting against Kvothe in favor of any WoT character... but I can't honestly see Rand losing. Jaime I have no qualms about exploding or setting aflame. :)

April 2, 2010 10:58 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...


Since you wrote about George R.R. Martin's character in your version of Kvothe vs Jaime, are you now a fan fiction writer? Do you have to give back your WGA card (at least until book 2 is published)? Does the fact that GRRM wrote about your characters mitigate any of this?

Just curious.


P.S. Kvothe was robbed. The fix was in. Jaime? Seriously? He's a swordsman who lost his sword-hand! I'd demand a recount, if I were you.

April 2, 2010 11:54 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Long live Kvothe!

April 2, 2010 12:39 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Long live Kvothe!

April 2, 2010 12:40 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well if it's any consolation Rand al'Thor is probably going to utterly destroy Jaime Lannister.

April 2, 2010 12:45 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GRRM is the man. Perhaps Rothfuss will someday be the man, but not yet. The better writer has won.

April 2, 2010 12:48 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I dont know if it was the better writer who won per se. It was more that GRRM has had more time to gather a fanbase. Not to mention Kvothe only has one book.

April 2, 2010 1:35 PM  
Anonymous Bonfiglio said...

Your write up is amazing! Though i am of course biased, i think it is much better than George R.R Martin's. I was really rooting for Kvothe, so i was quite disappointed to find that he wasn't the winner of this match. None the less, he made it far, and that is honorable in and of itself.

April 2, 2010 2:27 PM  
Anonymous Little My said...

I know that GRRM has a bigger fanbase as of now, but I'm still mad. I'm never going to Suvudu again. Wah! And for the record, after reading "Game of Thrones" I haven't bothered to get the sequels. After reading NOTW I've spent months lurking around this blog waiting for bits and scraps of info about the second book, as a sorry substitute for reading more of what will be the best fantasy trilogy ever. Everyone I know is getting WMF for Christmas. Or both NOTW and WMF, as appropriate. Yeah!

April 2, 2010 3:05 PM  
Anonymous kansa said...

Having read both write ups your was much better than GRRM Pat I really enjoyed it and wish you had got through so we could see another write up by you

April 2, 2010 3:42 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know this is going to sound somewhat desperate, but please please please write up a fight between Kvothe and Rand regardless of the result between Kvothe and Jaime.

April 2, 2010 4:47 PM  
OpenID darkcyradis said...

Wow, FANTASTIC write-up, Pat! Bast's line about how he'd take a drink of poison for Kvothe any day (and his somewhat ambiguous fate afterward--here's hoping Kvothe rushed in with the antidote for him soon afterward) made it really kind of poignant. Awesome~

Well, I'm sad to report that the polls have closed and Jaime has (unsurprisingly) won. However--he won by a much smaller margin than his droves of drooling, hardcore fanboys would have had us all believe-- 6883 Kvothe vs 7898 Jaime. That was MUCH better than the other semi-final match (Rand Al'Thor 5603 vs Drizzt 3291).

But do you realize what that final tally means? That means that Kvothe would have beaten Rand Al'Thor too! Even if he got knocked out in the semi-final round because of Suvudu's stupid bracket, you undoubtedly have the 2nd most popular SFF character on the Internet--after only one book!! So just imagine how universally loved Kvothe will be after the next two books come out? ;-) Take heart--Kvothe is THE ONE. We'll show Jaime and all the rest next year!! XD

(Err... does that give you more incentive to finish book 2 faster? :D Here's hoping~ ♥)

April 2, 2010 6:28 PM  
Anonymous Anya said...

I think I figured out what bugged me about GRRM's write up. In his world, people only care about themselves, that is a very recurring theme with almost every character. They seem completly incapable of doing something that isn't for their own good. It's a very grim and dreary world, with no capacity for self-sacrifice (well, there WAS one... But his head gets choped off. Anyway.)

Your write-up was full of self-sacrifice. It was moving and inspiring, even as it was chilling. That, to me, made it the best of the two.

Sure, one can argue that after [spoiler] Jaime shows some measure of self-sacrifice, and in doing so becomes one of the better characters. However, that does remain to be seen...

In any case, I'm sad to see Kvothe go like this. ;(

(But on the other hand, Jaime will be drugged up when he goes to face Rand... There's no way he didn't drink the wine Bast offered them, and if he did, I'm sur eBast found some other way to maim/kill him.)

April 2, 2010 6:46 PM  
Anonymous Camilla said...

"After reading NOTW I've spent months lurking around this blog waiting for bits and scraps of info about the second book, as a sorry substitute for reading more of what will be the best fantasy trilogy ever."

Ha ha, me too. It's an obsession.

Seriously though, GRRM's writeup was a joke. It's obvious he's never read NOTW since there were so many inaccuracies, one of which being that Kvothe's sword broke. Come on.

However, Pat, your writeup was amazing! It was original and written very, very well for such short notice. (No surprises there! You're possibly the most talented author out there.) Even though he lost...Go Kvothe! And yay for Bast too. They're both absurdly awesome.

April 2, 2010 7:31 PM  
Blogger Christopher said...

I find it fascinating that Kvothe has become such a name in one book. Especially knowing that his story is not yet told. Not even half by far. I'm am eager to read more about his life in the past and the potential of what can still occur.

April 2, 2010 8:31 PM  
Blogger D said...

I share your pain my friends... It was a cruel overnight turnaround indeed. The thing that saddens me the most is that there wont be another write up, at least not by you Pat (or will there?)
Thanks for the great shorts on Kvothe.
Cheers mates.


April 2, 2010 10:04 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am in love with this writeup. Seriously. Bast is my absolute most favorite character in your book, so getting to see more of him made me incredibly happy. I'm sorry that Kvothe didn't win because I'm assuming this means you won't do any more writeups (sniffle!) but I'm glad that he got so far because I got to read two wonderful writeups (yay!). I also must echo the sentiments that it speaks in volumes that Kvothe did so well when only one book about him is out so far. So yay all around! Congratulations. ^_^

April 2, 2010 11:49 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

GRRM is THE MAN. We can all learn from him.

April 3, 2010 5:44 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

You got fucked, Pat!

April 3, 2010 8:31 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

So bummed that the lead disappeared. I have to say, the fact that two authors got on the site to offer two different versions of their take on the fight was rather inspiring. Granted (and I'm not bashing here, because it's not GRRM's fault, not really) the GRRM post was lacking items of credibility and came with an overwhelming air of arrogance throughout which never for a moment wavered. In his version, Kvothe never even stood a chance. But honestly, I am convinced it stems from a source of ignorance. When you wrote up your post on Aslan, Pat, you showed an enormous amount of respect (very deserved respect) for the creation of C.S. Lewis. One day, I expect, there won't be an author in your genre who doesn't know and respect you equally.

Additionally, it must be said that Kvothe as he is now is incredibly underdeveloped in substance. I don't mean he isn't an amazing creation, but there are too many holes yet to be filled for him to have reached his full potential. His sword will have an incredible back story, I don't doubt. And of course it would inspire sword argument. (Human nature being what it is.) And of course there's the naming, the sympathy, the abilities of Bast versus those of Jaime's companion...what I'm trying to say is: PUBLISH! Haha. Hope all is going well in your life, Pat.

Cameron M.

April 3, 2010 10:18 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

KVOTHE SHOULD HAVE WON!!! He should've. Damn you Jamie-what's-his-face!!!
Still love you Pat! And I still love Kvothe. Forever!!!

April 3, 2010 10:24 AM  
Anonymous Kathryn said...

Wow. My respect for Bast has skyrocketed to a whole new level.

April 3, 2010 10:34 AM  
Blogger Dani said...

I'm sad that kvothe lost, he really shouldn't have because if a washed out kvothe was able to deal with scraelings, then one odd-handed Lannister poses not much difficulty.

If its any consolation. LANNISTER IS GOING DOWN!! Rand al thor is getting my vote!

I'm a rabid fan of your books! Your prose style is the best i've ever read! (yes excessive use of the exclaimation mark! but that's really I feel! :P) and i've read alot! keep up the good work too!

April 3, 2010 12:33 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wow, your write up was so much better. You get a win in the column that counts.

April 3, 2010 11:09 PM  
Blogger J said...

Excellent write-up Pat! Martin's was surprisingly straight-forward. Of course it would not even come to fighting when Kvothe's survival on the line.

I daresay Kvothe is the most interesting character in literature since Bean (Ender's Game series), and I am so very happy you chose to write his story.

April 4, 2010 4:29 AM  
Anonymous Trebor said...

Your writeup was awesome. So low key and yet so many far reaching implications. With this one small glimpse into Bast's pschy...what isn't he capable of? And what is Kvothe capable of to command that level of respect and obedience? I pilfer the shelves of the local Barnes and Noble frequently looking for good things to read and imagine my joy at finding a book as well written and engaging as NotW. My son is now reading it and will inexplicably come rushing into a room to say how cool he thought some part of the book was. (which allows me to offer him a cool dad-like knowing smile and nod)Thanks for a great book and rest assured we will be here waiting, albeit not patiently, for WMF.

April 4, 2010 8:06 AM  
Blogger Gretchen said...

I can't believe Jamie Lannister made it past Temeraire. I mean, he's a dragon the size of a frigate! He has the divine wind! This smacks of certain favoritism. Also, Kvothe could kick Lannister's ass any day. He's much smarter.

April 4, 2010 6:49 PM  
Blogger Vae said...

damn right Pat! those jingly toys are most important indeed! who does she think she is?!

ahh, i kid, i kid. as you say, she is entitled to her opinion. That said, you do have MY support. i wish you and kvothe all the best.. kick some ass pat!

April 5, 2010 3:57 AM  
Blogger Jonathan said...

I think they should've had these characters battle each other in their prime, otherwise any match can be fixed to an outcome by setting it at a character's weak point. Kvothe in his prime, with his naming abilities and confidence VS. Jamie in his prime, with his right hand and ruthlessness - what happens?

To be honest, I found all three write-ups for the Kvothe-Jamie "cage match" to be cop-outs:

Bast VS. Jamie? Come on. Sidekicks aren't allowed in the cage!

Nicely written, but Kvothe doesn't use his magical abilities at all? You and your Jamie are kidding yourselves.

Suvudu staff:
Kvothe being so honorable as to suppress his magical powers - WTF?

And finally, forget his name-calling - where are Kvothe's powers of sympathy in all this?

CAGE MATCH, people. Kvothe and Jamie in a cage. Huge questions need to be answered: 1. Can Kvothe best Jamie in swordsmanship either left or right handed? If no... 2. How else might he best him? Can he use anything in the cage to his sympathetic advantage? 4. Can he name the sword? 5. Can he name Jamie's true name?

I never got my answers from any of the write-ups, thus I will never truly know who should've won in the cage match. I have a hunch Kvothe would be bested with steel, but that the Kvothe in his prime that has been hinted at in "The Name of the Wind" has much more than steel in his arsenal, and would mop the floor with Jamie in his prime. I also have a hunch that the unconfident Kvothe who narrates his story to Chronicler would also mop the floor with self-conscious one-handed Jamie.

There is so much of Kvothe yet to discover for us, though, that I think it is more just to have young Kvothe from the last of older Kvothe's narration (who we know well) to be in the cage. Put him up against one-handed Jamie and... I'm not so sure what happens. Kvothe is young and cocky and quick, but Jamie is spry and vicious. Hard to predict that one.

So I say BOOOOOO to the way Suvudu handled that match. Ground rules should've been set. Otherwise... make of it what you will.

April 6, 2010 1:12 PM  

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